In episode 386, Chris Brennan addresses a recent controversial lecture by Deborah Holding, where she denied the historical existence of the entire gestural system in ancient astrology.
According to Holding, there were no entire zodiacal houses in ancient astrology, and the concept was only invented in the 1990s by Robert Hand and Robert Schmidt of Project Hindsight.
Chris aims to present evidence that contradicts Holding’s claims, to show that there is ample evidence for the existence of entire zodiacal houses in ancient astrology, and to explain the distortions and misinterpretations made in his lecture.
Throughout the commentary, Chris emphasizes the importance of separating the historical debate from current astrological practice and criticizes the holding for denying the historical existence of entire zodiac houses based on personal preference rather than objective evidence.
Chris also discusses the concept of whole house denial, which is the denial of the existence of entire houses of signs in ancient astrology and the attempt to deny or suppress any historical evidence that supports its existence, as well as why it is important to resort to false claims in order to set the historical record straight.
This is a recording of the live broadcast on February 9, 2023.
The video version is best viewed on YouTube as there are many visual elements, although most of the information is in audio.
This episode is available in audio and video versions below.
Time signs
- 00:00:00 Login
- 00:01:24 Details of Holding’s report
- 00:02:36 Holding’s claims are summarized
- 00:03:09 His Central False Claim: “Zero” Historical Astrologers
- 00:05:14 The whole character is negation of home
- 00:08:45 History and modern practice
- 00:11:36 Reconciliation of home systems
- 00:13:27 Why is this answer necessary?
- 00:16:30 Discussion history
- 00:19:43 Reply to lecture publication
- 00:21:31 Holding’s scientific refutations
- 00:24:43 Rhetorical question for the audience
- 00:27:02 Comment and fair use
- 00:29:02 Additional resources on home sharing
- 00:33:35 “Sneak diss” tactic
- 00:37:50 Review begins
- 00:40:10 Holding quotes Co-Star
- 00:43:17 Claim: Fully branded houses didn’t exist until the 90s
- 00:48:19 The popularity of all-purpose houses
- 00:53:25 Abolition of equal houses
- 00:58:32 The “psychology” behind the movement
- 01:03:33 Holding’s main claim and James Holden
- 01:09:55 James Holden’s 1982 paper
- 01:14:00 Ancient sources defining houses with whole signs
- 01:22:42 Examples of ancient horoscopes
- 01:27:26 Using Dorotheus of Sidon
- 01:30:03 Project Hindsight coins the term
- 01:40:41 Diagrammatic examples of Vettius Valens
- 01:49:52 Precursors: German and French astrologers
- 02:00:23 Medieval Islamic traditions
- 02:11:00 Revival of Traditional Astrology
- 02:16:40 Tensions between Lilly revivalists and Project Hindsight
- 02:22:48 Background by Robert Hand
- 02:31:52 Background by Robert Schmidt
- 02:44:53 Incorrect project description Hindsight
- 03:00:34 Robert Zoller’s departure from Project Hindsight
- 03:10:52 The wider interests of Project Hindsight
- 03:22:53 Debunking the alleged narrow focus of Project Hindsight
- 03:36:34 Main argument: Null argument
- 03:47:48 Holding’s conceptual argument
- 04:00:34 False claim: Valens only used quadrant houses
- 04:07:34 Calculating Midheaven from Ascension
- 04:17:12 Schmidt’s Theory: Subjects and Power
- 04:24:43 Edited clip by Robert Schmidt
- 04:52:46 Misinterpretation of Book 9 of Valens
- 05:07:42 Valens’ Definition of Equal Houses
- 05:22:53 Presentation of diagrams
- 05:46:42 Abolition of Indian traditions
- 06:01:28 Wade Caves’ conceptual argument
- 06:18:02 Conclusion: “This is not a real system”
- 06:26:50 Final thoughts and conclusion
- 06:33:35 Astrology and historical research
- 06:40:05 Rob Hand Quote on Ancient Astrology Evaluation
- 06:45:03 Final conclusions and moving forward
- 06:54:57 Saturn-Neptune correlation
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